Hi Ben,

First of all, it's quite normal for meeting to be became heated up. This is called efficiency man. Haha! No two person views in the world is similar. That's why we always see govenment cabinet always begin with a general issue discusion and end up in legs and hands fight. This is good. It is only through debates that best plan is formed when we put forth our best to make this biz the best with what we think is the best way of actions. What i wanted to stress here is that our views might be different, but our goal is the same. So as reflect to last meeting, or in the future, we will try to understand each other view points, be acceptive to each other objectives ( might not be each other planned actions), and derived a conclusion/ plan based on both parties suggested views as best as we could without compromising both parties objectives. This only applies when we can't come to a common conclusion platform.

So now in your present post it seems like you are still holding on to what you said that day without accepting the majority of the suggestions i put forth. It's fine. Same here, although after reading through your post i still believe my stand are more beneficial to our progress. Listen me out.

First you mention that you do not condone the degration of ourselves offering $800 to companies to do for us. For this i beg to differ. There are not self degration in ourselves. When any companies starts up, money is always the most important resources. Every successful start-up entreprenuers will try the best to save as much as possible by finding the cheapest alternative resources around by putting their heads low and try to bargin, please or even beg the supplier to offer the cheapest price to reduce their start-up cost. So that the rest of the money saved by doing so can be put into other use, such as into more marketing and advertising that drives the sale. That's why some big companies have employ purchaser.

Harvard Business Review,"The activities of successful corporations"

Break-even point
Big company: Often at a high level of sales
Small business/ entrepreneurial start-up: Need to be kept as low as possible

Spending 'small' sums of money
Big company: $1,000, $2,000 or even 10k
Small business/ entrepreneurial start-up: Spend nothing, if possible; if not spend little

Prestige and appearances
Big Company:Big offices and cars and any necessary stuffs to boost credibility
Small business/ entrepreneurial: Get nothing that is not considered deem necessary

From here we can see that start-up cost must be keep as low as possible. High start-up cost only draw closer to failure. Entrepruneurs always think that credibility and a very beautiful storefront/website is the key to suceeding in business. But often on above and what my sis told me that these are rather the hindrance to their success. Start-up biz no need credibility . People do biz with you in the face of money value, no credibility is considered here. Put the effort and large amount of money into creating more credbility onto more value in service and advertising is more appropriate for start-up.

This responsed to your point:
"We are not business mongols yet and cannot act prima-donas infront of IT people. I have seen with my own eyes even business mongols fail in IT. We do not have established office space or recognised products to show our credibility (the bandwagon)"

We do not need credibility. We can act big shot and have to act big-shot while handling our project to them.I have always seen my sis do it infront of big companies eg; OG management or IT companies support. The reason is very simple, we are the customer! No matter how small our project or little money value we contribute to their business from our website construction, we have to act big- shot, strict and even fierce on reprimanding them if satisfaction not met. Only in this way, that you are able to ensure quality from them and to get our project done in time. Maybe you have seen the practise of big boss and companies with high credibility that are often easy on this IT people. Big companies need not be harsh, as the IT companies want to do more biz with them and build rapport with them for more business. BUT we need to be harsh on them or i can assure you get substandard and project not finish for you in time. This might be the reason you get crap last time you do with freelance and companies. In addition, a mix of with freelance and companies, you are not able to do what i said just now cause it's very difficult to control all. Get 1 company. It's simpler.

I will give in on this. The website construction part i will leave the decision to you but combining my view here of reducing the start-up cost. I do have great confidence in this area of you. No worry actually. But i hope you consider what i said earilier and I will like to fix it at 1k, the max. I will try to support as much as possible but would not much interfere with your method on constructing it. If it goes more than 1k, i have to step-in. Hope you understand. I'm thinking in the best for our company future. The more money used here, doesn't relate to greater chance of succeeding but greater restriction and hindrance in success.

I still got something to comment regarding to your post but i will continue tomorrow. Now is 2.30 am , need to wake up at 7.30 for work later.